Birth place for Elizabeth MORRIS

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LINDA COCKAYNE
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Hello

I have a name and a full date of birth for my grandmother (from the 1939 register).

Would anyone know whether i can use these two pieces of information to find out where she was born?
The censuses say she was born in Wellington (Shropshire), but I can't find a Wellington registration on the Free BMD index for that date.

Her birth name is Elizabeth MORRIS. Date of Birth 5th April 1884.

Many thanks for any help
Linda x

Michael J Hulme
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Hello Linda

At the moment I can't see her in the Civil Registration Indexes or the Shropshire Baptisms.

Can you give us the names of her parents and any brothers and sisters to see if that brings up anything.  It would also help to know which census you have found her in - please give the reference if you have it.

Mike

LINDA COCKAYNE
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Hi Mike, and thanks for replying to my question.

Elizabeth is playing hard to get it seems. She apparently married twice. 1st to Charles CRUTCHLEY (can't find this marriage), 2nd time to William John Nicholls (my Granddad). I have the 2nd marriage certificate, which she states her name is Elizabeth CRUTCHLEY, and her father was Edmund Salter (plasterer). I have found Edmund's Will in 1894 in which he leaves his estate to Sarah Morris for the upbringing of Nellie and Edmund Salter. He doesn't mention Elizabeth, so guess he isn't really her father.

Censuses i have found as follows:-

1911 - Elizabeth CRUTHCHLEY (correct spelling is CRUTCHLEY) living with Charles (1st husband i believe), Charles, Elizabeth, and George (all CRUTHCHLEY) - Birmingham All Saints

1901 - Lizzie MORRIS, living with Sarah, Nelly, and Edmund (all MORRIS) - Shrewsbury St Mary

1891 - Can't find her although there is an Elizabeth CLARK (boarder), living with Edmund, Sarah, Nellie, and Edmund SALTER - living Shrewsbury St Michaels

1881 - Edmund Salter is lodging at Wrekin Road, also lodging is Sarah Morris

The only consistent information she gives is that she was born in Wellington (which I believe is correct)

The 1939 census shows her as Elizabeth NICHOLLS in Dalton Road, Rotherham (I believe this is definitely her, as my mum went to school there). Elizabeth's date of birth here given as 5th April 1884.

It's quite a puzzle, but I'm determined to find her birth. My assumption is that her mother was Sarah Morris.

Thanks for your time, hope to hear from you soon, Linda x

Michael J Hulme
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Hello

If you use Ancestry to search for a birth you can specify the month and year so you should only get results for those born in Apr-May-Jun 1884 which brings up 30 results.

Twenty four of these have additional forenames leaving six particularly interesting results.  Do any of these places of registration ring any bells with you?  Looking at the results the one in Wolverhampton is the closest so I suggest you try to see if you can find a baptism for this child before going to the expense of buying a birth certificate on the off chance.

Mike

pete edwards
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Hi Lynda,

There is a entry on Free BMD for a Elizabeth Esther Morris June Q 1884 Madeley district 1884, Vol 6a page 658, fits the d.o.b

Pete,