Thomas PINCHES 1810 Lydbury

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DeirdreS
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My great great grandfather Thomas PINCHES states on his attestation papers at Shrewsbury Castle on 8th December 1830 (he joined the 3rd Foot Guards of the Scots Fusilliers) that he was born in LYDBURY near Bishops Castle & that he was 20 years and 2 months old (in December 1830)  

I have contacted the Bishops Castle Heritage centre, looked through the records on Family Search & Find my Past but I cannot find an exact match to Thomas or baptism records. 

On a marriage certificate to Susannah Thompson in 1843 in London, he gives his fathers name as JOHN PINCHES, a labourer. 

On the 1851 census, he is registered in London as a soldier & cook, aged 40,  place of birth as Bishops Castle, Salop. 

 I live in Shropshire, and have been around the church at Lydbury north etc as the PINCHES name seems to cluster in & around Long Mynd & those villages.  

I would appreciate any help in finding a baptism & definite family for my Thomas. 

 

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Hi Deirdre, I've done some research for you, and I will start with the known facts. And then Thomas Pinchers possible family of origin.

Best Regards

J.P

Attestation year 1830
First name(s)     Thomas
Last name     Pinches
Age     20
Service number     1297
Birth year     1810   (Age at 1st discharge 8th June 1852. 41 Yrs & 8/12)
Regiment     Scots Guards
Birth town     Bishops Castle
Series     Scots Guards Service Records 1799-1939
Birth parish     Lydbury
Record set     British Army Service Records
Birth county     Salop
Category     Military, armed forces & conflict
Birth country     England
Subcategory     Regimental & Service Records
Collections from     Great Britain, UK None

1st Marriage:
Name:     Thomas Pinchars  Signed X
Bachelor
Record Type:     Marriage
Marriage Date:     22 Oct 1835
Marriage Place: St Marylebone, Westminster, England
Spouse: Lydia Smith   Spinster  Signed her name
Register Type:     Parish Register
Wit:Mary Knight. & unknown. poor writing!

Son's Baptism:
Baptism:
First name(s)     Thomas
Last name     Pinchers
Birth date     11 Apr 1837
Baptism date     14 May 1837
Parish     St George, Hanover Square
Father's first name(s)     Thos
Mother's first name(s)     Lydia
Birth year     1837
Archive     City of Westminster Archives Centre
Page     180
Baptism year     1837
Record set     Westminster Baptisms
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Parish Baptisms
Collections from     England, Great Britain
County     Middlesex
Country     England

Daughter's Baptism:
Baptism:
Name: Lydia Pinches    Abode:Barracks
Age:     0
Birth Date:     12 Apr 1842
Baptism Date:     8 May 1842
Baptism Place:     St George, Hanover Square, London, Westminster, England
Parish as it Appears:     St George, Hanover Square
Father:     Thomas Pinches Occ:Soldier
Mother:     Lydia Pinches

Burial:
First name(s)     Lydia
Last name     Pincher
Age at death     6 m
Burial date     26 Oct 1842
Burial place     Westminster, London, England
Cemetery     St John, Smith Square
Gender     Female
Place     London
Marital status     -
County     Middlesex
Occupation     -
Country     England
Event year     1842
Record set     England Deaths & Burials 1538-1991
Birth year     1842
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Parish Burials
Burial year     1842
Collections from     England, Great Britain

His 1st Wife's Death:
Death:                   Age at Death (in years):  
PINCHES, LYDIA             29  
GRO Reference: 1842  J Quarter in WESTMINSTER  Volume 01  Page 306

2nd Marriage:
Name:     Thomas Pinches  Widower Signed X
Private Scotch Fusilier Guards     Abode St.Marylebone
Record Type:     Marriage
Marriage Date:     9 Feb 1843
Marriage Place:     St Marylebone, Westminster, England
Father: John Pinches   Occ:Labourer
Spouse: Susannah Thompson  Spinster Signed X  Abode:St.Marylebone
Spouses Father: George Thompson  Occ:Painter
Wit:John Thompson.Susan Brown Signed X
Register Type:     Parish Register

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Scots Fusilier Guards Hospital, St John the Evangelist, Westminster, London & Middlesex, England
First name(s)    Last name    Relationship    Marital status    Sex    Age    Birth year    Occupation    Birth place
William Henry    Judd    -    Unmarried    Male    55    1796    Surgeon major scots fasilier guards    Marylebone, Middlesex, England
James    Evans    Head    Married    Male    41    1810    Sergeant & steward    Cheddar, Somerset, England
Ann    Evans    Wife    Married    Female    31    1820    Matron    St Luke's, Middlesex, England
William    Reed    Servant    Unmarried    Male    23    1828    Corporal & surgery man    Scotland
Thomas    Pinches    Servant    Married    Male    40    1811    Soldier & cook  Bishops Castle,    Shropshire, England
Benjamin    James    Servant    Married    Male    32    1819    Soldier & orderly    Batcombe, Somerset, England
Samuel    Whisker    Servant    Unmarried    Male    33    1818    Soldier & orderly    Fareham, Kent, England
James    Anderson    Patient    Married    Male    30    1821    Soldier (major)    Westminster, Middlesex, England
Ephraim    Dranfield    Patient    Unmarried    Male    46    1805    Soldier    Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
Isaac    Evans    Patient    Unmarried    Male    25    1826    Soldier    Cardigan, Cardiganshire, Wales
William    Ford    Patient    Unmarried    Male    31    1820    Soldier    Colesbourne, Wiltshire, England
Charles    Wellington    Patient    Unmarried    Male    23    1828    Soldier    Hereford, Herefordshire, England
George    Bounds    Patient    Unmarried    Male    25    1826    Soldier    Andover, Hampshire, England
Jacob    Files    Patient    Unmarried    Male    36    1815    Soldier    Cherhill, Wiltshire, England
John    Ferguson    Patient    Married    Male    21    1830    Soldier    Scotland
James    Gibson    Patient    Unmarried    Male    32    1819    Soldier    Scotland

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Rochester Row, Saint John the Evangelist, Westminster, London & Middlesex, England
First name(s)    Last name    Relationship    Marital status    Sex    Age    Birth year    Occupation    Birth place
Susannah Pinches    -    Married    Female    37    1814    Laundress    Westminster, Middlesex, England
Thomas    Pinches    Son    -    Male    13    1838    Scholar    Ealing, Middlesex, England
John    Thompson    Son in law    -    Male    12    1839    Errand boy    Westminster, Middlesex, England
Jemima    Thompson    Visitor    -    Female    11    1840    Scholar    Westminster, Middlesex, England

Archive     The National Archives
First name(s)     Thomas    (Cape of Good Hope 30th Sept 1859)
Last name     Pinches
Return month     Sep
Return year     1859
Archive reference     WO 22
Birth year     -
Piece number     63
Year     1852-62
Piece description     London South.
Regiment     3rd Foot Guards
Year range     1852-1862
Regiment / service number as transcribed     3rd Foot Guards
Record set     British Army Service Records
Pension year     1852
Category     Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory     Regimental & Service Records
Collections from     Great Britain, England
Series     Wo 22 - Royal Hospital Chelsea: Returns Of Payment Of Army And Other Pensions 1842-1883
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His mother's possible Baptism:
Baptism:
First name(s)     Elizabeth
Last name     Yopp
Residence     -
18 Jan 1783
Place     Lydbury North
Father's first name(s)     John
Mother's first name(s)     Elizabeth
Mother's last name     -
County     Shropshire
Birth year     -
Register type     Composite
Baptism year     1783
Register date range     1747-1797
Last name     Yopp
Archive reference     P177/A/1/3
Denomination     Anglican
Page     60
Record set     Shropshire Baptisms
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Parish Baptisms
Collections from     Great Britain, England

I think this is Thomas's Likely Parents Marriage:
Marriage:
First name(s)     John    Both OTP both Signed X
Last name     Pinches
Residence     Lydbury North
Marriage date     26 May 1805
Marriage place     Lydbury North
Spouse's first name(s)     Elizabeth
Spouse's last name     Yopp
Spouse's residence     Lydbury North
County     Shropshire
Marriage year     1805
Register date range     1797-1812
Archive reference     P177/A/3/2
Register type     Marriage
Denomination     Anglican
Record set     Shropshire Marriages
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Parish Marriages
Collections from     Great Britain, England

I couldn't find a baptism for a Thomas Pinches for the above couple.

But I think it's quite possible that their 2nd John baptised on the 2nd Oct 1810 could be Thomas.
The date closely matches both dates in Thomas' war records I've found.

I could not find a burial of any of their listed children in their early years.
Also I could not positively find any of them in any Cens' either.

And their is a lot of possible baptism's for John Snr Pinches his given age in cen's are up & down.

Their Known children:

Baptism:
First name(s)     John
Last name     Pinches
Residence     -
Baptism date     12 Oct 1806
Place     Lydbury North
Father's first name(s)     John
Mother's first name(s)     Elizabeth
Mother's last name     -
County     Shropshire
Birth year     -
Register type     Baptism & Burial
Baptism year     1806
Register date range     1797-1812
Archive reference     P177/A/1/4
Denomination     Anglican
Page     -
Record set     Shropshire Baptisms
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Parish Baptisms
Collections from     Great Britain, England

Baptism:
First name(s)     James
Last name     Pinches
Residence     -
Baptism date     02 Sep 1808
Place     Lydbury North
Father's first name(s)     John
Mother's first name(s)     Elizabeth
Mother's last name     -
County     Shropshire
Birth year     -
Register type     Baptism & Burial
Baptism year     1808
Register date range     1797-1812
Archive reference     P177/A/1/4
Denomination     Anglican
Page     -
Record set     Shropshire Baptisms
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Parish Baptisms
Collections from     Great Britain, England

Baptism:
First name(s)     John  (Could this be Thomas?)
Last name     Pinches
Residence     -
Baptism date     02 Oct 1810  
Place     Lydbury North
Father's first name(s)     John
Mother's first name(s)     Elizabeth
Mother's last name     -
County     Shropshire
Birth year     -
Register type     Baptism & Burial
Baptism year     1810
Register date range     1797-1812
Archive reference     P177/A/1/4
Denomination     Anglican
Page     -
Record set     Shropshire Baptisms
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Parish Baptisms
Collections from     Great Britain, England

Baptism:
First name(s)     Sarah
Last name     Pinches
Residence     -
Baptism date     09 Nov 1812
Place     Lydbury North
Father's first name(s)     John
Mother's first name(s)     Elizabeth
Mother's last name     -
County     Shropshire
Birth year     -
Register type     Baptism & Burial
Baptism year     1812
Register date range     1797-1812
Archive reference     P177/A/1/4
Denomination     Anglican
Page     -
Record set     Shropshire Baptisms
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Parish Baptisms
Collections from     Great Britain, England

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Horse Fair, Bishops Castle, Clun, Shropshire, England
First name(s)    Last name    Sex    Age    Birth year    Birth place
John    Pinches    Male    50    1791   Ag Lab    Shropshire, England
Elizabeth    Pinches    Female    60    1781    Shropshire, England

Burial:    
First name(s)     Elizabeth    Abode:Bishops Castle
Last name     Pinches
Burial date     04 Nov 1846
Burial place     Bishop's Castle
County     Shropshire
Archive refererence     P33/A/4/1
Birth year     1778
Page     164
Death year     1846
Register type     Burial
Death date     ? ? 1846
Register date range     1813-1852
Age     68
Record set     Shropshire Burials
Burial year     1846
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Parish Burials
Collections from     Great Britain, England
Denomination     Anglican

1851 Cens:
Name:     John Pinches    Widower Ag Lab
Age:     59
Estimated Birth Year:     abt 1792
Relation:     Lodger
Gender:     Male
Where Born:     Bps Castle, Shropshire, England
Civil Parish:     Bishops Castle
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:     
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Town:     Bishops Castle
County/Island:     Shropshire
Country:     England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:     
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Registration District:     Clun
Sub-registration District:     Clun
ED, institution, or vessel:     2a
Neighbors:     
Household Schedule Number:     3
Piece:     1983
Folio:     168
Page Number:     1
Household Members:     
Name     Age
Martha Nicholas 70
James Bright     17
William Price     18
John Davies     50
John Morgan     28
Martha Morgan     40
John Pinches     59
Thomas Meredith 64
Charles Rogers     61

1861 Cens:
First name(s)     John
Last name     Pinches
Marital status     Widower
City or borough Bishops Castle
County     Shropshire
Relationship     Lodger
Country     England
Registration district     Clun
Sex     Male
Sub district     2 Bishops Castle
Age     74
Enumeration district     2
Birth year     1787
Family member last name     Pinches
Birth town     Norbury
Family member first name(s)     John
Birth town as transcribed     NORBURY
Archive reference     RG09
Birth county     Shropshire
Piece number     1841
Birth county as transcribed     SHROPSHIRE
Folio     13
Birth place other     England
Page     2
Occupation ? Ag
Schedule     11
Full address     Castle Green, Bishops Castle, Clun, Shropshire, England
Record set     1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Street     Castle Green
Category     Census, land & surveys
Town     Bishops Castle
Subcategory     Census
Parish     Bishops Castle
Collections from     Great Britain, England

Perhaps his burial:
Burial:
First name(s)     John   Abode:Union Work House Bishops Castle
Last name     Pinches
Age     87
Burial date     02 Jun 1869
Burial place     Bishop's Castle
Archive refererence     P33/A/4/2
Birth year     1782
Page     98
Death year     1869
Register type     Burial
Death date     ? ? 1869
Register date range     1852-1889
Record set     Shropshire Burials
Burial year     1869
Category     Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory     Parish Burials
County     Shropshire
Collections from     Great Britain, England
Denomination     Anglican