Gravenor

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baz
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Looking for historical or modern information on the hamlets of Gravenor, Lower Gravenor and Upper Gravenor near to Wentnor. Have loooked on internet with no success which is strange. Not looked in the Archives yet tho. Maybe info in the green books on Wentnor but not in till end of month.

Michael J Hulme
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Hello Baz

Looking at the Ordnance Survey map of 1903 Gravenor, Upper Gravenor and Lower Gravenor each look like individual farms.

In my 1941 Kelly's Directory it lists the following under Wentnor parish:-

Gravenor - Cyril Corfield, farmer (less than 150 acres)
Gravenor - Ernest Littlehales, farmer (less than 150 acres)
Gravenor - Thomas Munslow, farmer (more than 150 acres)

Unfortunately it doesn't distinguish between the three locations so I can't tell which one is which from that source but looking at the 1939 Register it tells us Cyril Wilfred CORFIELD was at Lower Gravenor.

Also in the 1939 Register it shows Ernest LITTLEHALES at Upper Gravenor and Thomas MUNSLOW at Middle Gravenor.

Mike

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Hi Baz,

Three thoughts that might help:

1. If you subscribe to the Ancestry website then I suggest you go into the Search tab, and search on "Schools, Directories and Church Histories" Then type in one of the names suggested by Mike above. I chose Ernest Littlehales. It came  up with the 1916 and 1934 Trade Directories entries for him, with a brief description of Wentnor and the names of prominent tradespeople and where they were living. You could then use these names to search in the 1911 Census. On entering the Census go to Page 1 as that will give you the names of the places within the enumeration district. One of the  Directories indicates that Lord Powis was a major landowner, so it is possible that the Gravenor Farms were part of his Estate.

2. If you subscribe to Findmypast then search their newspaper section. I typed in Gravenor Farms in the keywords box and filtered on Shropshire. This came up with seven articles, some may be duplicates, giving info on Gravenor Farm in the period 1860-69, which may be of interest.

3. Try the following link, which will show you documents held in various Shropshire archives that may be worth following up. If you can't get to the Archives then it may be worth giving them a call as they may be able to retrieve a document ata small cost.

http://search.shropshirehistory.org.uk/collections/search/?cb_ipp=15&fq%...

My great.grandfather, William Hudson, farmed at Morehouse Farm, Wentnor around 1900.

Regards

Phil

Michael J Hulme
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Hello Baz

Anyone researching farms in the mid-1800's should study the Tithe Records (Maps and Apportionments) which allow you to establish exactly which fields made up the farm you are researching.

These records are now indexed and available on The Genealogist web site (fee payable) where you can search by name (owner or occupier) or place (county & parish) plus plot number.

Wentnor parish Tithe records were compiled in 1845. Unfortunately the Apportionment for Upper and Lower Gravenor does not name the farm so it can only be found by comparison with the six inch Ordnance Survey map of about 1900 (see the National Library of Scotland web site) and also note that several of the Tithe maps do not have north at the top so it might help to take a screen image and rotate it slightly in an image viewer when comparing the two maps.

As far as Lower Gravenor is concerned it is Plot 560 and was Owned and Occupied by Jeremiah Medlicott. Just over 52 acres.

Upper Gravenor is Plot 627 and was owned by Henry Poulter and occupied by George Jameson. Just over 70 acres.

The third property is actually described as Gravenor House Buildings Fold (Plot 593) and Gravenor Farm House, buildings (Plot 612) owned by Henry Diggory Warter Esquire and occupied by Samuel Simmons. Just over 128 acres.

Shropshire Archives have copies of the Tithe Maps which were drawn by a former member of staff in the late 1900's at a standard scale of 6 inches to 1 mile making them ideal for comparing with the 6 inch OS Maps.  The copies can be purchased quite cheaply.

Mike

baz
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Hi guys, thanks for the info. I should have thought out of the box, should have known! I have some of the census's from using names supplied. All found on ancestry, plus Kellys trade directories and also a piece from the Landed Gentry with lineage going back to the 14C! It does also give the changed name of Grosvenor which when put into Ancestry brings out hundreds of pieces of documents to many for me as I was only asked by Nigel to have a look for the elderly gent on the hamlet of Gravenor as he was without a computer and older than me! I think there may be a note in the december mag to the effect.

Once again thanks for the start. I am going through them a bit at a time when I am in.

Barry D