I am struggling to pin down my paternal great-great-grandfather Richard MAPP.
From family accounts and death certificate information, it appears he was born in Bishops Castle around 1823 - census accounts back this up, give or take a couple of years each time, However, his marriage certificate of 1857 records his age as 23 years, when if all other information is correct, he should have been around 34 years? Did he just lie about his age? Richard's father was John; he is recorded as deceased on the marriage certificate.
I would welcome comment or assistance.
There are two different marriages too, 1n 1857, your Richard , then another in 1858 marrying a Mary STEDMAN. Do you have the correct birth details for your g-Grandfather naming parents as Richard MAPP and Elizabeth DULSON?
Thank you Ann. I know the family ended up in Sharpstones Lane Bayston Hill, where Richard died in 1893. I know from family that his father John was born in Condover. I have his birth certificate as 1st March 1861 - father Richard Mapp; mother Elizabeth Mapp (formerly Jones). The corresponding marriage certificate for these names is 8th April 1857.
Hi Ann. I also know from family that Richard's son John went on to marry a Martha Jane Walters from Islington, London; there's a family story that she married beneath herself, as her mother came from a well to do family - I have been able to confirm that my grandfather's generation are descended from these two.
Given that on the census returns Richard is consistent that his birth place was Bishops Castle, you should probably work on that basis. I note that the year of his birth is far from consistent, 1823, 1825, 1832 and it seems possible that he may be the Richard bapt. to George and Hannah on 3 Aug 1828. He would not be the first person not to know the name of his father or the year of his birth or for the incorrect name to be shown on a marriage certificate. You may resolve the issue by making a search of the Bishops Castle registers over the span between the contested years of his birth. Ann
Many thanks for all previous assistance.
I have come across a John Mapp on the 1851 census, listed as being 60years old, born 1791. The transcript says born "Salop, Ebbendale", although the actual certificate image is far from clear. I would welcome any assistance as where "Ebbendale" is or alternative interpretations of the original.
Again, many thanks to al..
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In the 1851 census John MAPP is the waggoner at a farm at Cruck Meole which is 4 miles WSW of Shrewsbury. His place of birth is written as Eb........... but there are only ten places beginning with Eb... in the Gazetteer of Shropshire Streets, Roads and Place Names none of which seem to fit with the birth place on the 1851 census form.
I have looked at the other pages completed by that census enumerator but couldn't see anything which gives a clue.
In 1851 there seems to be only one John MAPP born 1791 (+/- 2 years) in Shropshire and the same applies to the 1861 census but here the birth year works out as 1793. Could this be the same person? I think there is a good chance he is the same person and whilst the transcript on FMP has failed to read the actual place of birth the census page clearly shows it to be Lydam (correct spelling Lydham).
Lydham is in south west Shropshire about two miles north of Bishop's Castle. I suggest you search the Lydham registers as your next step to see if your man turns up there.
Mike
John Mapp is the son of Edward Mapp and Margaret Worthington. Edward and his brother Richard were the sons of Richard Mapp and his wife Ann Pierce who were my 4x great grandparents. Ann
Thank you Mike,
I too think it could be the same man and the Lydham / Bishop's Castle connection fits in with my research.
Thanks again.
Nigel
Hello Ann,
Many thanks for this and previous assistance.
I think I've come across Richard Mapp - Ann Pierce previously, so will revisit my research.
Do you know the descendants of John Mapp, place of birth etc.
Grateful thanks for all your help.
Nigel
Hello Nigel. If you would care to pass on your e-mail address to me via SFHS perhaps we can continue the discussion of our mutual ancestry off board. Ann
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You may have two different Richards. There is a Richard bapt in Pontesbury in 1838, father John, who may be the one on the marriage certificate. The earlier Richard, bapt in Bishops Castle may belong to George Mapp or William Mapp, both of whom belong to my line of Mapp ancestors. Richard seem to be a popular name in Mapp ancestryand the different strands are frequently confused, Ann