Hi, I am researching Samuel SMOUT who married Ann HANDLEY 29 Dec.1831 in Cleobury Mortimer, really struggling with his parents Charles and Mary. There appear to be two families with parents Charles and Mary SMOUT in the same area and at about the same time. Is Samuel's father Charles who in 1841 was widowed living with a family called DOWNES in Vernolds Common, Burley, a pauper by 1851 or Charles living with his wife Mary, shoemaker in Stanton Lacy 1841 and 1851. Samuel consistently gives his birth place as Culmington.
Hi.. Your Samuel SMOUT , I think according to Culmington Church records, was born on 12th August 1807 and was baptized on 23rd August 1807 , son of Charles and Mary SMOUT. Charles and Mary lived at Vernals/Vernolds Common where Charles was a Limer.
I had the same problems when I researched my Smout family who incidentally was the other Charles and Mary SMOUT who went to live in Stanton Lacy where Charles was a shoemaker. My Charles and Mary married in 1814..
Hope this helps a little
Dave S
Hi Mike
Many thanks for your comments and apologies for not replying sooner.
I live in Surrey and was hoping to do some of this research on line. Findmypast is not very helpful, Mel Lockies site doesn't seem to cover Culmington. Other peoples trees on Ancestry added to the problem and the few people I contacted either couldn't remember where they got the information or had copied details from other trees.
Regards Adrienne
Hi Dave
Many thanks for the help. I took Mikes advice and tried to put the two families together and was wondering if you agreed with them.
- Charles Smout bapt 1781 married Mary Davies 17 Feb 1806. Children Sarah bapt 20 April 1806 ; Samuel bapt 23 Aug 1807; Elizabeth bapt 24 May 1809; Mary bapt 12 April 1811; Charles bapt 10 Jan 1813; Martha bapt 30 Apr 1815.
1841 Charles was widowed an ag lab, living with Thomas Downes and his young sons in Burley, 1851 now listed as a pauper of 70 still in Burley with Thomas and Sarah Downes and their children.
- Charles Smout married Mary Pryce 8 May 1812 in Onibury. Children Sarah bapt 14 May 1815; Charles bapt 3 Aug 1817; Edward bapt 2 Sept 1821; Frances, Thomas and Eliza ( on 1841 census)
1841 Charles 60 was living in Stanton Lacy with wife Mary and four children a shoemaker. 1851 was living in Lower Hayton now a widowed shoemaker with son Edward and married daughter Sarah Evans and her daughter .
However I still have several children also born to Charles and Mary, do any of these perhaps belong to your family Susanna bapt 7 Apr 1817; Anne bapt 20 Jun 1819; John bapt 17 Oct 1819; John bapt 28 Oct 1821; Richard bapt 29 Feb 1824; Emma bapt 21 Feb 1826.
I have also found a marriage for Sarah Smout to Thomas Downes 14 Sept 1834 Ludlow which nicely puts my Charles Smout living with his eldest daughter and son in law in 1841 and 1851 however Sarah is consistently 10 years too young and on the census 1851 to 1871 gives her birth place as Stanton Lacy.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated, I am winging this one with no chance to see original documents.
Regards Adrienne
Hi Adrienne
Thanks for getting back . It is a few years ago since I did the SMOUT research but will give you what I can. I did only follow my SMOUT line although I have the Culmington Parish records for SMOUTS from original Parish Records Baptisms.
6 Jan 1788 Thomas son of Charles and Mary SMOUT.. 20 June 1790 Anne dau of ... 31 Mar 1806 Sarah dau of .. 12 Aug 1807 Samuel son of .. 19 May 1809 Elizabeth dau .. 12 April 1811 Mary dau of..
Records now give address and occupation of father
There is also Eliza born about 1832 da of C & M SMOUT Siefton , Shoemaker.
My Ancestors Charles SMOUT who married Mary PRICE on 8 May 1814 in Onibury ( so Sarah 1815 was the first born. she married Edward EVANS)
They later went to live in Stanton Lacy , Mary died in Stanton Lacy in Oct 1844
I have a copy of a Will of Charles SMOUT ( shoemaker ) dated 1857 he died Nov 1857
Their son Charles SMOUT ( my GGGrandfather ) married Mary LOCKLEY in 1839 in Bishops Castle and they also lived in Stanton Lacy
I hope this will help you as it did get confusing. I do have a lot more Info on the SMOUT family
Regards . Dave.
Hi Adrienne
Just noticed that three of the early records have a couple of dates
Regards
Dave..
Hi Dave
Many thanks for your help on this one, you have taken me back one more generation which is great.
I am following Charles Smout through his son Samuel b 1807 subsequent generations move through Herefordshire and then into Wales. After John Jones and Evan Evans in my husbands tree I thought Smout would be relatively straight forward !
Your Charles Smout - bapt 19 July 1779 or 30 Sept 1781 both Culmington ?
My family all come from Durham (I live in Surrey) and I have thrown quite a bit of money at a researcher up there and got absolutely nowhere. Again Dave , many thanks for the information.
Regards Adrienne
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Hello
I think I would start by trying to reconstruct both families so that you can establish who all the children are in each. To do this you will need to search the Baptism registers for Culmington and possibly its surrounding parishes. Any Baptisms from 1813 onwards will show the father's occupation and abode which will be a great help distinguishing between the two families.
You then need to find both families in as many Census records as possible. Provided each family used slightly different names for their children you should then be able to tell which set of parents are yours.
Don't forget to check the Burial registers for both families to make sure you don't try to establish a connection with someone who died as a child or young person.
Mike