BEBBINGTON/ARKENSTALL

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Njensen
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Thanks Steve

Michael J Hulme
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 Hello Neil

The first part of this information refers to the BEBBINGTON part of your family.

In your original message you said that your grandfather James Arthur BEBBINGTON was the only BEBBINGTON to emigrate from the UK to Canada. Whilst he might have been the only one from his immediate family I think it is likely that he probably decided to follow his uncle and aunty, Thomas BEBBINGTON (1864-1946) and Alice (nee HULME 1867-1944) and six of the seven surviving of their nine children who emigrated in 1913.

I note from BC archives that your grandfather James Arthur BEBBINGTON died 17 Apr 1981 not 27 Apr.

William BEBBINGTON, your great grandfather, was born on 20 Sept 1869. He was the fifth child of Thomas BEBBINGTON (c.1832-1893) and Emma BRATHERTON (c.1832/3-1870).  They were married 30 Aug 1860 at All Saint, Weston, Cheshire this being the second of his three marriages. Their children were:-
Ellen born 3 Mar 1861 Weston (Wybunbury), Cheshire
Fanny born 28 Apr 1863 Pool Head, Wem, Shropshire
Thomas born 11 Oct 1864 Weston (Wybunbury) Cheshire
Martha born 2 Apr 1866 Edstaston, Wem, Shropshire
William born on 20 Sept 1869 Edstaston, Wem, Shropshire - he married Sarah JOHNSON at Lee Brockhurst Q2 (Apr-May-Jun) 1899 - which you already have but see also Shropshire BMD

Thomas BEBBINGTON (your Gt Gt Gr Father) was bap. 1 Apr 1832 at Barthomley, Cheshire. He first married about mid 1850's and had a daughter Elizabeth born about 1857. She married Owen WALTON on 21 Apr 1880 at the parish church, Crewe, Cheshire.  Thomas third marriage was to Ann FOX on 24 Jan 1871 at Berrington, Shropshire. There are no known children from this marriage.

I would suggest that the 1871 census link inadvertently shown in Reply #7 is actually for another family, not yours.
Again the link in Reply #8 for the 1891 census also points to the same wrong family.
To make things more difficult the 1891 page with your ancestor William BEBBINGTON (1869-1919) is actually missing from the sequence on Ancestry. (I have reported it.) The page reference is RG.12/2123 folio 47 page 7 and shows:- (text in brackets is mine)
Thomas BEBBINGTON age 55 (should have been 59) Farmer born Cheshire Barthomley
Ann BEBBINGTON age 54 born Salop Condover (his 3rd wife)
Fanny BEBBINGTON age 27 born Salop Pool Head (part of Edstaston)
Martha BEBBINGTON age 25 born Salop Edstaston
William BEBBINGTON age 21 born Salop Edstaston

When you get to the 1901 census the page with your ancestor also seems to be missing from Ancestry but fortunately, like the 1891 page, it does appear on Find my Past
In 1901 the basic information is:-
William BEBBINGTON age 31 Farmer born Wem, Salop
Sarah BEBBINGTON age 27 born Audley, Staffordshire
They didn't have any children at that time and were living at Pentrecoed, Dudleston, Ellesmere, Shropshire.

In case you haven't come across it before, Salop is an abbreviation for Shropshire but isn't used much these days.

SCHROEDER

In Reply #11 the second link takes you to Library and Archives Canada from where you can immediately download the front and rear of his Attestation paper but what you might not have noticed is the link towards the upper right of this page 'How to consult a file on-site or order a copy of the complete file'. I would suggest you follow this and purchase a copy of the complete file which will usually give you an amazing amount of information for a fairly modest cost.  I paid for a copy of a file which I found really interesting.

Mike

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Thank you very much Michael
I didn't realize I had a second page here and hadn't seen your post. I will take a better look at what you have given me and get back to you.
Thanks again
Neil

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Hi Neil

Hopefully I did better with the Schroeders than I did with the Bebbingtons! Last weekend, after posting details of how to order a certificate from the GRO, I ordered a certificate myself for my Atcherley family research, and that arrived yesterday, so if you ordered the birth certificate I suggested at that time, it should be on its way to you (obviously it will take longer to arrive). When it does, do let us know whether or not the gamble paid off!

Steve

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Hi Michael
Thanks again for the onformation about my grandfather bebbington. You stated the my grandfather's uncle Thamas bebbington and aunt Alice Hulme immigrated to Canada. I noticed that she has the same last name as you. Does that mean that we are related?

Neil

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Hello Neil

We are not related but we are connected through marriage. Alice HULME (1867-1944) was a sister to my grandfather, James HULME (1870-1951).

Mike

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Cool

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Hi Michael and Neil,

My husband's biological father is James Arthur Bebbington . He had a son William Arthur Bebbington married to Madeleine and 4 children Lori-Anne, Robert, Lisa, Kenneth 

I would love to connect with you. I did send a friend request on Facebook Neil, if you are wondering who the stranger is that requested

I was contacted by a Kay Storer about 14 years ago or so when she found my add in the New Westminster newspaper and asked about my last name Bebbington, We had a nice chat, and at the time she had filled me in a little bit about my husbands family, but we did not pursue or research at that time, which we regret as I understand my husbands half brother Bill passed away in 2012. apparently there are two other half siblings, but we are not aware of their names or ages. My husband was much much younger than his half siblings and would probably be the age of their children or maybe even younger. He was born when his father, James Arthur was 61 years old. In July 1963.

Suzanne Bebbington

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Hello Suzanne

You probably know much more about your family than I do but is there something specific you think I might be able to help with?

Mike

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Hi Mike,

We unfortunately do not know anything about the family. A lot of what I have learned was from reading this thread of yours and Neil's.

My husband's biological father is the James Arthur Bebbington that you refer to in your comments born 1902.

He had a son William Arthur Bebbington born 1939 married to Madeleine and 4 children Lori-Anne, Robert, Lisa, Kenneth.

We understand there were 2 other siblings but not sure who or how old. 

My husband is Arthur James Lawrence Bebbington born to James Arthur Bebbington and Leona Inscho Ferrier in July 1963.  so quite a few years after his half brother Bill/William in 1939.  James Arthur was 61 when my husband was born.

My husband has never met anyone in the family except his biological father once when he was 18  shortly before his fathers death, for about 5 minutes.

It was just a fluke that i saw your post in a search engine and recognized the name and started reading it.

We are not sure if any of the family even knows about my husband Arthur as it apparently was a massive secret. But we only live about 10 minutes from his place of birth and apparently some of the people who would be his nieces and nephews live that close to us.

So I am just putting this out there in case Neil ever logs back in to read this, in the future, as I beleive Arthur would be Neil's Uncle, and we all live here in the Lower Mainland of BC. !

Anyways thank you for responding so quickly !

Suz...